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Post by andri on Mar 8, 2018 3:07:42 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2018 3:12:39 GMT
I dont think anything should be taxed
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2018 3:31:49 GMT
Some people I find taxing - does that count?
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Post by Imbannedeverywhere on Mar 8, 2018 3:42:35 GMT
Charities shouldnt be taxed, but the definition of what makes a charity should be, they need to remove "Promotion of religion" as one of the qualifiers.  |
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Post by catweasel on Mar 8, 2018 3:43:45 GMT
qunts
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Post by Nats on Mar 8, 2018 18:51:10 GMT
I bet some so call religious outfits are chewing their fingernails about now
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Post by andri on Mar 8, 2018 20:22:31 GMT
I say tax charitable trusts. So many charities have sprung up over the years merely masquerading as charities. Then theirs groups like sanitarium and those quackers who don't pay tax but are getting government education grants.
A lot of maori have recognised forming charitable trusts get them off the hook from paying taxes. I looked into it for our land trust. Yes I did. If it's there, use it. It's still a rort. Tax everyone.
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Post by Imbannedeverywhere on Mar 8, 2018 23:22:08 GMT
I say tax charitable trusts. So many charities have sprung up over the years merely masquerading as charities. Then theirs groups like sanitarium and those quackers who don't pay tax but are getting government education grants. A lot of maori have recognised forming charitable trusts get them off the hook from paying taxes. I looked into it for our land trust. Yes I did. If it's there, use it. It's still a rort. Tax everyone. You cant get charitable status, unless the purpose of your organisation is for the benefit of the community, they are heavily audited, and if they are not operating as a charity, then the status is removed and back taxes are applied..... the only part of the charities act I dont like, is the promotion of religion being seen as of benefit to the community..... Sanitarium use the profits of their company, for charitable purposes. Grants to poor, educating people in communities that dont have decent education, feeding kids in schools in conjunction with fonterra, and numerous other good charitable works... at my daughters school for example.... 75% of the students, are flown in from tiny communities internationally, that have no education system to speak of whatsoever. I have absolutely no problem whatsoever, with Sanitarium keeping their charitable status, as long as the income, is not spent on promoting religion ( building churches, paying preachers etc).... |
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Post by Imbannedeverywhere on Mar 8, 2018 23:23:01 GMT
Sanitarium saved my kids life.
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Post by Nats on Mar 9, 2018 0:18:28 GMT
Destiny Chruch springs to mind in what it claims
Exclusive Brethren are another
The biggest Mafia backed org Catholic
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Post by andri on Mar 9, 2018 2:44:07 GMT
I say tax charitable trusts. So many charities have sprung up over the years merely masquerading as charities. Then theirs groups like sanitarium and those quackers who don't pay tax but are getting government education grants. A lot of maori have recognised forming charitable trusts get them off the hook from paying taxes. I looked into it for our land trust. Yes I did. If it's there, use it. It's still a rort. Tax everyone. You cant get charitable status, unless the purpose of your organisation is for the benefit of the community, they are heavily audited, and if they are not operating as a charity, then the status is removed and back taxes are applied..... the only part of the charities act I dont like, is the promotion of religion being seen as of benefit to the community..... Sanitarium use the profits of their company, for charitable purposes. Grants to poor, educating people in communities that dont have decent education, feeding kids in schools in conjunction with fonterra, and numerous other good charitable works... at my daughters school for example.... 75% of the students, are flown in from tiny communities internationally, that have no education system to speak of whatsoever. I have absolutely no problem whatsoever, with Sanitarium keeping their charitable status, as long as the income, is not spent on promoting religion ( building churches, paying preachers etc).... I cannot for the life of me see why a profitable food business has charitable tax free status. They use their religious status as a tax loophole and sanitarium are always promoting their religion to keep their tax status butyou make a good point. They do indeed help in the community. |
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Post by andri on Mar 9, 2018 3:39:17 GMT
Theyre just a corporation trading on tax free status who throw several million dollars per year towards their religious arm. At least tax their food business arm and not the religious arm.
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Post by Imbannedeverywhere on Mar 9, 2018 5:01:27 GMT
They give every single cent of their profits to charitable enterprises.... very little of their money is spent on funding the church, if any at all. Seventh Day Adventists are pretty self sufficient when it comes to funding their church.... like bretherens, a large proportion of their membership are business owners and managers/ceos/accountants/lawyers who dont mind dipping into their own pockets to ensure their churches are funded.
After having close interaction with them, due to the help they have given my daughter... the daughter of a staunch atheist I might add... I have no problem with them continuing as a charitable venture.... I would just like to see promotion of religion taken out of the list of things that makes them qualify as one.
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Post by andri on Mar 9, 2018 5:39:15 GMT
It just stinks that 'commercial' business operators like sanitarium don't have to pay tax. Ngai Tahu is another commercial operator who don't pay tax because of their charitable status. Those CEOs and managers are creaming it.
I've never seen the seventh day Adventists help in this town, only to advertise their religion and buy up realestate.
Of course they help. They have to appear to be giving some of their charitable profit in alms giving. It's a tax rort.
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Post by andri on Mar 9, 2018 5:41:47 GMT
And may I add, they've just invested overseas. Why should a profitable commercial business who is investing overseas have charitable tax status?
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