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Post by catweasel on Jul 8, 2015 19:47:07 GMT
www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/70060927/gap-back-to-maori-and-pasifika-students-in-ncea-remains-widejust having a read of recent results from NCEA report there is a gulf between maori/PI students and europeans  theres hope staggering stats i had no idea socioeconomics played such a huge part in learning but then i wonder is it the ongoing effects of poverty or is it a predetermined outcome influenced by differing approaches and expectations between the groups? for instance is a child born to lower socio economic means but whose parents place a high emphasis on education going to be at a disadvantage to a more affluent child in the same circumstances? or are the expectation from parents in the lower socio group different to those in the more affluent? are the euro populace parents more driven to have their children succeed in a learning environment or is it they have the time? the article mentions as a reason ethnicity i dont know what they are alluding to ethnicity isnt a reason to be behind isnt that saying white euro kids are smarter than maori/PI? it reads so how to close this gap? if the same resources are applied to each child but only one group is benefitting then it is a waste of resources how can this gap ever close if its cyclic??
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Post by missyaggravation on Jul 8, 2015 21:17:31 GMT
Where do I start with this lol
Good news is those who for whatever reason aren't getting the results, are catching up
I wonder why? What's working?
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Post by andri on Jul 8, 2015 21:36:58 GMT
Parents encouragement, teacher encouragement?
I was reading about Dr Lance O'Sullivan.
His dad was an alcoholic.
He got booted out of school on a couple
of occasions. His mother put him in to
Hato Petera boarding school and one of his
teachers had the greatest impact on him
that it revolutionized his life.
Great result. But yes, those stats are worrying
and yes, why?
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Post by Imbannedeverywhere on Jul 9, 2015 1:19:40 GMT
More teaching is done in the home that people realise. And most people dont know how to teach. Or think they dont, as even when they are not actively trying to teach they are. I bet you will find a huge difference between the children of teachers, and children of everyone else. When I was at school, they were the brains, and most excelled in their parents specialty role more than the other subjects. To make further progress, maybe high school should include lessons in how to impart knowledge, encourage the learning process. And what damage can be done by the unintentional lessons in lazyness etc that you give along the way.  |
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Post by Nats on Jul 9, 2015 1:25:35 GMT
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Post by missyaggravation on Jul 9, 2015 1:29:02 GMT
More teaching is done in the home that people realise. And most people dont know how to teach. Or think they dont, as even when they are not actively trying to teach they are. I bet you will find a huge difference between the children of teachers, and children of everyone else. When I was at school, they were the brains, and most excelled in their parents specialty role more than the other subjects. To make further progress, maybe high school should include lessons in how to impart knowledge, encourage the learning process. And what damage can be done by the unintentional lessons in lazyness etc that you give along the way. There has been a big shift in pedagogy in NZ over the last few years, mostly influenced by a changing digital society. Information is accessible in a click of the fingers. Teachers are no longer experts on everything: rather they are experts in teaching children how to sift the shit from the facts and teach them habits of mind which will ensure they know how to learn. The "how" and "why" rather that the "what". Yes this all might seem a bit meta, but with do much information out there, its not so much about delivering content as learning how to learn. |
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Post by catweasel on Jul 9, 2015 1:36:52 GMT
i have noticed and its only
anecdotal
is that most of the 'turnaround' kids
or ones that got back on the rails
had some sort of person
as a mentor
boxing coach family friend an aunty
someone they cared enough about
to want to emulate them
or at least gain their approval
i watched a group of maori boys on
the news the other night from auckland grammar
they were first fifteen rugby players
and
on the school choir
giving each elective equal commitment
one of them dropped a comment
'they teach you to want to'
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Post by missyaggravation on Jul 9, 2015 1:42:13 GMT
Yep, totally agree
Its tapping into psychology
Motivation, and where it cones from
Gotta be intrinsic eventually
The smartest coaches, mentors, parents and teachers canbtsp into this
Yep, its about the how and why, hugely
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2015 1:47:08 GMT
The only time my kid did well in school was when he had that connection with a Teacher. Over the years I saw many that in my opinion should never have been an educator of any sort.
One of them chucked it in and took a job as a Dog Ranger! I hope he treated the Animals better than he did his pupils.
So yes, a Mentor or even just someone that takes the time to listen can change a childs destiny ten fold.
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Post by missyaggravation on Jul 9, 2015 1:55:55 GMT
Relationships are crucial, huh
I've seen several doozies *puts hands over mouth*
Teachers are a bloody weird lot
Especially the men
Seem to be either fantastic or shit.
Unfortunately shit floats to the top sometimes
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2015 2:00:53 GMT
Older females and most of the men were the worst I found. The younger Ladies were more onto it with regards to the "different" kids.
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Post by missyaggravation on Jul 9, 2015 2:09:36 GMT
Older females and most of the men were the worst I found. The younger Ladies were more onto it with regards to the "different" kids. Yep lol |
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Post by catweasel on Jul 9, 2015 3:17:19 GMT
i had fucken nuns
ol weasel was a bit
unusual odd different
misunderstood
as a nipper
and those fucken nuns were brutal
to me
i use both hands
write with my left now
tennis right golf right shoot left lead left (southpaw)
can cut with scissors both hands
they said that being left was the devils work
that left handed was wrong
had to write with right hand
i left st josephs convent school
being able to write
equally well with both hands
one stroppy old bitch
made me keep my left hand in my pocket
all thru class
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Post by shy on Jul 9, 2015 3:24:23 GMT
No doubt your left hand had more fun than your right then Weas.  |
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Post by catweasel on Jul 9, 2015 3:32:41 GMT
lol
pocket pool ya reckon?
eventually mum went down
to see the principal
and then i was allowed
to use my left
she has a sharp tongue
and acerbic wit my mum
wouldnt have minded seeing that conversation
but wasnt privy to it
hmppff
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Post by andri on Jul 9, 2015 3:59:33 GMT
It didn't seem to have an effect on your
fabulous writing style and expression.
But geez, what a thing to do to a child.
Those old school teachers are responsible
for a lot of that nonsense. They got away
with it too.
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Post by missyaggravation on Jul 9, 2015 7:37:11 GMT
Really?
That's really old school
They made my mum do that, tied her left hand behind her back, smack with a ruler if her writing sloped backwards
That was in the '30s
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Post by catweasel on Jul 9, 2015 15:55:57 GMT
catholic primary school in the 70s missy they hit us with a leather strap called Sammy it lived in the principals top right drawer the nuns were ancient three died while i was at primary school we had to  the dead corpse of one lying in state one old bitch called shoes and socks shoes and stockings or shoes and sockettes i teased the shit out of them my poor brothers who went behind me thru primary school all got the raised eyebrow when roll was read this one nun sister monica fuck she was old had to have been pushing the ton in weight as well biggun she particularly hated weasel and she didnt even teach me somehow id managed to piss her off regardless she used to make do gardening at lunch time for punishments it stopped when i purposely started getting all wet and filthy and going back to class |
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Post by catweasel on Jul 9, 2015 19:20:13 GMT
this ones for weasels
private school education
high school dance
Hello World
Remember me?
I'm the sad little fuck
That you failed to see
Who you should have recognized
When you had the chance
Hello motherfuckers
Now it's time to dance
Hello mom'n'dad
Is this a bad time?
If it is too bad
See the reason that im
Disturbing you both
I'm settling scores
You fucked me up bad
This dance is yours
I love to make 'em dance
Dance, Dance, Dance
Everybody dance now!
Hello student body!
Hello faculty!
Show of hands how many
Of you here have met me?
Not too many- who am I?
I'll try not to keep you guessin
I'm your fucked up dance instructor
And you're here for your lesson
Hello world
Take a look at me
Well you didnt when you should have
So Im sure you'll agree
Not paying attention
Has cost you greatly
Some other little fucks
Have been dancin lately
Goodbye student body!
So long faculty!
Show of hands how many
Of you here have met me?
Not too many- who am I?
I'll try not to keep you guessin
I'm the fucked dance instructor
Hope you learned your lesson
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Post by Imbannedeverywhere on Jul 9, 2015 20:55:56 GMT
Ahhh, the high school dance, that brings back memories...flashing lights, running teenagers, cold damp bush to hide in....Im one of three who escaped. Could have ruined my life, a drug arrest at an early age |
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Post by catweasel on Jul 9, 2015 20:59:30 GMT
that cold damp bush
doesnt sound very appealing
if there is going to be a bush
it should be trimmed and tidy
and warm like socks
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Post by missyaggravation on Jul 9, 2015 22:24:58 GMT
Off topic
But I have vivid memories of school dances
Boys trying to feel me up
Nipping out for a fag
Sneaking swigs from a hidden hip flask
And worse, in the changing sheds
I went to one dressed as Magenta from Rocky Horror. I was 13, I don't know what Mum was thinking letting me out of the house.
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